tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN August 15, 2013 1:00am-2:01am PDT
good evening. breaking news, a massacre in egypt and a bloody mess for washington. later tonight, hannah anderson tells her story and why she's glad the man that kidnapped her is dead. stop and frisk, the controversy continues as a war of words continues over a key question. is it plain old good policing or old-fashioned racial profiling. we'll call in philadelphia's police chief to referee. we begin with breaking news, the war, yes, the war being fought tonight on the streets of egypt and the huge problem it's become for the obama administration. at this hour, states of emergencies in effect across the country and at least 278 people, mostly opposition members in cairo are dead. this is new video of egyptian security forces raiding one of
two opposition camps this morning. they moved in this morning. you can hear shooting in the background as troops kick a wounded man around. a protester that escaped one of the camps said it's an open car. new video of muslim brotherhood fighters pushing an armored personnel carrier off the 6th of october bridge. remember the bridge is a rallying point leading to tahrir square in the uprising. unlike then, the images coming in, the images you are seeing now reflect precious desperation. supporters have been living in these camps for the last month and a half, since the military ousted muhammad morsi. their frustration building. the ruling military junta making it clear they wanted them out. so when the clearing of the camps started this morning, it came as no surprise. but it did mean danger for anyone close by. >> for the muslim brotherhood,
it is a battle for some of those hard core supporters, you will see them out there. but at the same time -- [ gunfire ] [ inaudible ] >> reporter: egyptian security forces are using live ammunition. they are firing into the side streets. security forces are all over cairo. this one looks like it's about to get very ugly. >> secretary of state kerry calling events deplorable. egyptian vice president mohamed baredai has called off negotiations. arwa damon with guns going off around her, joins us tonight. it's the middle of the night there, comparatively quit compared to earlier today. what have you seen and heard?
>> reporter: well, curfew is full-on in effect. it's quite odd how quiet the streets have been tonight, especially compared to what we saw during the day. the egyptian security forces having not just to deal with the morsi supporters, but multiple front lines at the same time. we saw morsi supports trying to gather, break through the riot police's ranks. we saw them actually taking over another square in cairo, where they were as of tonight, as well when we returned back to that location, digging in there, setting up these makeshift barricades once again, field hospitals, readying themselves for even more clashes. the other issue here is that the fighting that we're seeing taking place, the violence, it's not just clashes breaking out between those who support and oppose president morsi.
we're seeing clashes between morsi supporters and residents in various neighborhoods where these sit-ins, the marches are taking place. additionally to all of this, neighborhood watch. young men in various neighborhoods taking batons, bats, setting up checkpoints, searching vehicles. it's a very unpredictable situation right now, especially here in cairo. >> you have both sides pointing fingers at each other for the violence. based on what you saw, what can you report about who is responsible for the deaths? >> reporter: well, the vast majority of -- over 250 deaths is the mohamed morsi supporters. the government is saying that their initial intent was simply to lay siege to these two sit-in sites to allow those who were there to be able to exit, but they were going to prevent
anyone from entering. they are claiming that they were shot at first by these demonstrators and then the situation rapidly escalating from there. people who were at these demonstration sites saying that these security forces barely issuing any warning whatsoever, moving in immediately beginning to fire intense volleys of tear gas and live ammunition, as well. anderson, we did not see any of these demonstrators carrying weapons. that's not to say they weren't. however, there are more than 40 people who were kid, members of the egyptian police force in all of this. so presumably there were people who were armed and were shooting at them. but this is very much a blame game at this stage. the great concern is because these demonstrators are taking to the streets, yes, in lesser numbers than we were seeing in the two sit-ins, but they are taking to the streets. so the concern is that these clashes are only going to be
continuing. >> arwa, stay there. i want to bring in ivan watson. he spent a lot of time in egypt see thg firsthand. you've seen a lot of this firsthand. where does this go from here? the muslim brotherhood is not going away. it was outlawed for decades and remained. obviously it's on its heels right now but they're not going away. >> that is what is so frightening here. what does the military want the endgame to be? do they expect the islamists that will just simply disappear? if it's such a tenacious organization, they're not going to disappear. the experiment of democracy in egypt that we saw the beginnings of in 2011, i think it's very clear when you see this carnage and death toll that it's over. the fear is in the sinai right
now of egypt, on the border with israel. there are jihadis, there are believed to be al qaeda linked groups waging open insurgency against egyptian security forces. there are more deaths there in the last couple of days and could that spread now? you've closed the door to the democratic process to the pre-eminent islamist political force in egypt. so what other avenue does it have? >> and arwa, the situation -- we don't have arwa anymore. the situation she was describing, now you have these neighborhood groups, something we saw back in 2011, it just seems to be fracturing more and more into disparate groups taking the law into their own hands. >> it's very frightening when you start to see the cycle of violence and the fabric of society starting to fray. that was kind of knit together in 2011 after there was a crime spree and people were very worried and they took charge of protecting their own neighborhoods and things like that.
but that was followed by an historic period of elections and things that had egyptians very excited. they got the freedom to vote. how are you going to follow this crackdown when you had hundreds killed not only today, but in previous bouts of violence. >> does the muslim brotherhood have a roll in elections? are they allowed to run again? >> how can they? the president is imprisoned. the first democratically elected president of egypt. most of the leadership seems to be under arrest and now we have this carnage. >> we have arwa back. the situation you described, these neighborhood groups, it seems it's just fracturing by the hour, almost. >> reporter: it does really feel as if one is slowly beginning to watch the unraveling of society. i've been referring to it right there. one also needs to go back and see how we reached this point in time. on june 30, there were an unprecedented number of egyptians that took to the streets demanding the
resignation of mohamed morsi. that gave the military the support it believed it needed to go in and oust former president mohamed morsi. since then, tensions in egypt have only been increasing. society, the population growing more polarized in these pro and anti-morsi camps. additionally, and this is disturbing, as well, some of the violence we saw today, mobs of morsi supporters attacking police stations and attacking a number of churches across the country, as well. >> and arwa, i want to bring in -- i want to extend the discussion and bring in daily beast correspondent peter beinhart. also national security analysis, fran townsend. fran serves on the cia and department of homeland security external advisory boards.
fran, what is your sense of where this goes? >> they've declared a state of emergency because they expect that this violence will continue. when you see the fatalities and injuries, there's been reports of over 900 injured in addition to the deaths we reported. you've got to expect that this is not just simply going to stop. the security services have made perfectly clear their willingness to revert to brutality and violence and the pictures speak for themselves. if you want to move to the democratic society, you have to be inclusive. we've got in this country, there are plenty of groups who stand for ideal that is the majority of the population don't believe in, but they can be heard, they can be safe and secure in raising their voices and they can run for public office. which is not to elect people whose ideals we disagree with. but egypt is going to have to work its way to a process. the military can't sideline them and expect them not to revert to violent activity in the streets.
>> peter, we talked about what egypt can do. is there much that the u.s. can do here? the u.s. gives a lot of aid, but it sounds like the generals don't even care whether that continues or not, that that aid can be replaced by saudi arabia or somewhere else. >> it's hard to see how much the u.s. can do very much. the real question historian also be looking at, would it have made a difference at the moment of the coup, when there was still a possibility of restoring morsi or forcing the military not to go down this path, if the u.s. had said we're cutting off aid, taking a blunt stance, instead of what the obama administration did, saying we're not going to cut off aid. we accept morsi probably won't come back -- still try to be restrained. >> you used the word coup. the administration has not. >> they did not use it because it would have required cutting
off aid. in retrospect, in hindsight, they were too nuanced. they were trying to split the difference and the message didn't get through. at that moment, perhaps the u.s. could have stopped the military. we don't know. but it would have had a better chance than now. >> fran, all along in all of this, how much impact do you think the u.s. could have had? even in the overthrow of mubarak, many people criticized the obama administration for not supporting mubarak longer. ivan, you and i were there. the sense on the street was, it didn't mad whatever the u.s. was going to do, events on the ground in egypt are happening at a pace that is irregardless of what the u.s. is doing. >> that's right. you mentioned saudi arabia. this is an instance where egypt is such a powerful force in the arab world and with its arab allies. this is a place where our arab allies can be more influential than we can. if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
this is a coup. we can debate why the administration didn't use it. i agree with peter, it's because of the consequences of that, but it was clearly a cue. but the problem with cutting off aid, you have to play the chess game of moving the pieces down the board. if we removed the aid, someone with a different foreign policy agenda might have filled that gap. so russia or qatar or others -- >> but look at saudi arabia. talk about saudi arabia having an impact. saudi arabia doesn't wan a democratic egypt, do they? they don't want that example of democracy in the middle east. >> that's right. >> right, but, i think from what fran was saying, correctly, there will be no stability without the islamists having the opportunity to express themselves politically. the u.s. was equivocal, and the gulf states, saudi arabia and others came down strongly on
behalf of the people of the military coup. now we have the possibility of a syria-like situation, playing it out with egypt as their battlefield like syria. >> peter, do you see this going to a wider conflict? do you see this erupting larger within egypt? >> you don't have the same sectarian divisions, but i do think you have the possibility of the most powerful country in the middle east being essentially an open battlefield which you can imagine people starting to arm elements of the muslim brotherhood. they have supporters all over the middle east. that is truly, truly, frightening. >> i think the saudis want stability. they didn't want to see morsi as a member of the muslim brotherhood in power. so there are these regional actors playing through their own agendas. i think that fuels further conflict. >> dangerous days. thank you. arwa, please stay safe. let us know what you think.
next, a big city african-american police chief on why controversial or not his department uses stop and frisk. and hannah anderson opens up online about her captivity and what she thinks of the man who kidnapped her. ♪ turn around ♪ every now and then i get a little bit tired ♪ ♪ of craving something that i can't have ♪ ♪ turn around barbara ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ ♪
keeping them honest tonight. new york's controversial policy of detaining and searching people every day in hopes of reducing crime. monday, a judge put limits on it. a new york police officer told "the new york post," welcome to chicago, he said. meaning say goodbye to new york's plummeting murder rate. if that's what the judge wants, this officer said crime will go up. the chicago pd taking exception, saying we had significantly less crime and fewer shootings of any year since 1965, without imposing on the right of our residents.
so who's right? and can you operate a stop and frisk program without alienating communities you have sworn to prosect and whose help you need to do it. let's talk about it with charles ramie, philadelphia police chief, and conservative blogger crystal right and mark geragos. commissioner, philadelphia faced litigation similar to new york. some have pointed to crime rates going up as a result of the reforms. when the mayor of new york was pressed on this issue, he said, why would any person want to trade what we have here for the situation in philadelphia? more murders, higher crime. to that, you say what? >> well, to that i say he's wrong. our murders are down 30% this year, shootings down 18%. overall crime is down significantly in philadelphia. we did enter into an agreement, i think for the betterment of the department.
>> explain that. does stop and frisk work? >> well, it's not a question of just if it works. does it work? yes. but we have to be careful as police to make sure that whatever we do, we do within constitutional guidelines. we can't just sacrifice all constitutional rights in order to impact crime. i think you can do both. i think you can impact crime and do so within constitutional guidelines. stop, question and frisk is a valuable tool. but it has to be done correctly. >> there are a lot of people, though, who say look, this is not racial profiling. this is going where crime is. to that you say what? >> well, it is going where crime is, but you still need reasonable suspicion before you can detain a person for investigative purposes. you also have to have some reasonable belief that a person is armed and dangerous before you conduct a frisk. it's pretty clear, and i think we need to focus on our training for officers. but we also need to make sure we
have in place audits to make sure that they're doing it correctly. we do have to record all stops in philadelphia. we do have a multilayered approach toward auditing these stops to make sure they're being done properly. in the long run, it's better for the community and department and better for everybody concerned. >> crystal, you support what new york has been doing, but a vast majority of the people who are stopped and frisked are released. they've done nothing wrong. >> i agree with commissioner ramsey. we have to go where the crime is, and it's overwhelmingly in new york city and predominantly in black neighborhoods. and the crime being committed in new york city is overwhelmingly done by particularly black males. this is an inconvenient truth, but a reality. why would you stop a norwegian tourist when they're not committing the crime? i also agree that we need to honor the constitution, the
fourth amendment against unreasonable search. but the fact is, police officers under the fourth amendment have the right to reasonable searches. do we need to revisit the program periodically on how we train officers? sure. but there's one thing i want to disagree with the commissioner on, and that is from what i've read, your crime rate is going up. crimes have gone -- increased in philadelphia compared to last year before you engaged in this settlement. you may disagree with me on this, but from what i see that's happening in philadelphia, we've taken the politically correct route and let's make sure the police officers aren't pissing off anybody. >> i don't know or care what you read, but that's simply not true. if it is true, you can't tie it right back into any settlement agreement we may have entered into. crime does fluctuate for a variety of reasons. >> i understand. but you also said, commissioner
ramsey, that you didn't think it was inappropriate for people to assume because you're stopping a black individual that you didn't have the right as an officer or your officers to stop that individual just because of his race. i think that's a dialogue we need to have. >> it's not about race, it's about what is that person doing? what is the behavior? are you responding to a flash message? does the person fit the flash? >> right. >> is the person a member of a gang and you're looking at retaliation as a possibility and are known to carry weapons. you have to have more. listen, there are more decent law abiding communities living in black communities and -- >> there sure are. >> and you can't paint everybody with the same brush. you just can't do it. >> i'm going to disagree about the crime. the crime is occurring at a higher rate and predominantly black neighborhoods. there's a reason -- >> what is the reason for that? >> because of the breakdown of the black family.
>> what's the reason for that? >> there's no fathers in the house. >> that could believe. >> chicago -- >> can i finish? >> chicago's genocide central. >> i'm from chicago. i grew up in englewood. if you know anything about chicago, you know about englewood and gangs and issues. i was a chicago policeman for 30 years. i've been police chief in washington, d.c. for 9. i've been police commissioner in philadelphia for 5 1/2. i didn't come out so bad and i grew up in englewood. you can't paint every black person that grew up in any particular environment. >> don't distort what i said. >> -- being more prone to crime. >> that's not what i said. you're misrepresenting what i said. >> we need to take a quick break. a lot more to talk about. we'll continue the conversation after the break. hannah anderson goes on line and gets candid about the horrific ordeal she survived is. what she is saying, ahead. çñ
welcome back. keeping them honest, we're continuing the conversation on stop and frisk. with us is philadelphia police commissioner ramsey, you were trying to make a point before the break. i want to pick it up there. >> as police, we have to make sure that we exercise the enormous authority the public has given us in a constitutional way. and we do not abuse people's rights.
we do not say that there's more -- all black people are criminals or there's more in this or that community. there are some in every community. we need to weed them out, but we need to do so in a fashion where we do not disrupt the decent law abiding people that are just trapped in an environment that they don't want to be in any more than you would want to be in. >> commissioner in your experience, charles blow was on this program the other day with crystal and with mark. one of his points was that the experience for a young black male say being pulled over, being stopped and frisked and not having anything on you, and statistics show most people who are stopped and frisked are let go because they haven't done anything wrong, nothing is found on them, but that builds a certain sense of humiliation and it builds a sense that the
police are not there to help us, but to monitor us. and that long-term actually hurts law enforcement, because there's not that sense of cooperation. do you agree with that? >> it does have a negative impact on our relationships. most of the complaints i get are not about the stop. it's about how they were treated during the stop. again, it goes back to training and making sure that police officers can do their job, but do so by treating people in a respectful way. >> i agree, commissioner. police officers should be trained. and i think stop and frisk, you continue to monitor the training, how are the police doing this in the field. >> we can go about and make neighborhoods safer, and people want us to make them safer. but at the same time, they want us to respect the rights that they have, even criminals have rights. everybody has rights. it's the way which we go about doing our job, the way which we go about investigating. the way we write it up.
most of these stops are probably good stops but the cops write them up terribly and they don't justify the reasons why. >> crystal, when you look at the reason a police officer says they pulled somebody over, it's something like movement. does that worry you as somebody that respects the constitution, does it worry you that there's a police officer determining that person made a ferd of movement and i can pull them over? >> look, the police need training and they have to evaluate how and why they're pulling people over, what are the signs you're looking for? i think we need constant training. however, what i do know is new york city is a lot safer. i want to go back to, yes, i think it's less than 2% of people stopped and frisked have guns on them. however, because folks know there's stop and frisk going on in new york city, they're probably going to think twice about packing a gun.
it's a deterrent. >> i think there's a lot of people who would argue that there's only 2% is because you've got draconian gun enforcement laws in new york and they don't want to be caught with them. pox plaxico shot himself and went to state prison. >> 400 murders last year. >> 400 murders as a percentage, i don't think if i'm in a particular community, if a small, tiny percentage of constituents in my -- >> 8 million people in new york. >> i don't want to have give up my constitutional rights. >> commissioner, my understanding in new york, when stop and frisk has gone down 20% because of increased monitoring and training, crime hasn't gone up a corresponding 20%. if stop and frisk is the reason crime has reduced in new york, you would think a 20% reduction would have raised the crime rate, but it hasn't is my understanding. >> new york has done a tremendous job lowering its
crime rate over the last couple decades, there's no question about that at all. we're not talking about throwing out stop and frisk. we need that, but we need to do it in a way where we don't wind up losing that. if we don't straighten up our act as police, we're going to lose it. then we're really going have a problem. we were supposed to do this segment yesterday. the reason i didn't, i had a policeman shot in the stomach by a person with 12 prior arrests, holding a stolen firearm and shoots a person at point-blank and he's fighting for his life as we speak. so we encounter dangerous people on the street and no one knows it better than i do. but at the same time we didn't just go through that neighborhood that that particular person is from, throw everybody on the wall and start random searches of people because we had that take place. we have to go after the people causing harm, have the basis for the stop that we need to have, so that we can preserve the tools that we have available to us. >> commissioner ramsey,
appreciate you being on. and our best to that officer. we hope that officer recovers. crystal wright, great discussion. mark geragos, thank you so much. >> thank you. susan hendricks is here with a "360" bulletin. army private first class bradley manning apologized for his actions today. he said he hurt people and hurt the united states by leaking tens of thousands of pages of classified documents and videos to the web side wikileaks. demand for gun permits spiked in newtown, connecticut. as of august 8, 209 permits have been issued. a 22% increase over the previous year. in is the same town where 26 children and adults were shot to death. near houston, a high tech nightmare for a 2-year-old girl. an unknown hacker gained access to the monitor and called out her name.
after seeing her name posted on the bedroom wall. the little girl did not hear the hacker because she's deaf. she didn't have her cochlear implants in at the time. but anderson, certainly a terrifying situation for the parents. >> susan, thank you very much. coming up, 16-year-old hannah anderson answering questions about her ordeal, surviving, being kidnapped. after her mother and brother were killed. also, searching for answers in a deadly jetliner crash. that ahead and more. he spent hundreds of 4a nw(fe
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inside the house, the remains of ethan anderson. his sister made a large number of calls to him on the day of the fire. according to the warrant, phone records showed that hannah anderson and dimaggio called each other about 13 times before their phones were turned off the day she was kidnapped. today, a coroner said an autopsy shows that dimaggio was shot at least five times. he was killed by the fbi tactical agent after a manhunt. tonight we know why hannah anderson didn't try to escape. he would have killed me. that's what hannah said in her first public interview in an online chat room. she fielded questions online posting about her mom and brother and what happened the night that dimaggio killed them. her openness has stunned some, but she the a 16-year-old girl doing what teenagers often do. casey wian reports. >> reporter: 16-year-old hannah anderson is sharing details about her kidnapping on social media.
she fielded questions on a site about her abduction by james dimaggio. a user asked, did you want to do with dimaggio? she replied no, not at all. why didn't you run? he would have killed me. why didn't you tell your parents he creeped me out? in part, he was my dad's best friend and i didn't want to ruin anything between them. hannah shed new light on the night she was kidnapped, the same night her mother and brother were murdered. how did he separate you from your mom and brother? he tied them up in the garage. how did he keep the fire a secret? he had it set where it would catch on fire at a certain time. she also wrote dimaggio threatened to kill her if she fled and brought her to carry equipment in the wilderness. some questions were brutally blunt. did he rape you? i'm not allowed to talk about it. are you glad he's dead? absolutely. some experts question the wisdom
of hannah's online chats. >> this is a 16-year-old traumatized. she's in a state of trauma. so she's not thinking. sometimes in a numb state, you're doing things that you don't really consider the consequences. >> reporter: hannah even engaged in lighter conversation, typical of a teenage girl. even some of that seemed painful. what design did you get on your nails? pink for my mom and blue for ethan. those who know her say hannah spent some of tuesday helping to plan their funerals. >> hannah's father asked for privacy after her rescue, so these postings came as a surprise to some people. i want to bring in rebecca bailey, co-author of "safe kids smart parents." thank you for being with us. what do you make of this? is it healthy for her to be answering questions from complete strangers online just three days after she was free? >> you know, as usual, i go to the go-to place, which is i
can't judge if it's healthy or not for her. she, as you said, is a 16-year-old girl processing a tremendously traumatic experience in the only way she knows how at this point. >> i guess -- one of the conversations, someone asked her if her dad knew she was answering these questions. she said, he knows. it would be hard to strike the right balance between being vigilant and giving your daughter the space she needs. >> absolutely. would i advise her to be processing this way? no. we've got to speculate, if we're going to speculate, which i hate to do, that her dad is dealing with his own tremendous, tremendous grief right now. and in some ways, she was able to take some sense of power in her ability to not answer the questions.
she did set a limit and say no, i can't answer that. >> yeah. some of the questions, when i heard she was doing this, first of all, we weren't sure if it was real. we knew about this last night, but we wanted to make sure it was her, of course. but just exposing herself to complete strangers online. some of the questions were really horrible, too horrible to even repeat on air. that's one of the dangers in something like that, somebody opens themselves up to the positive feedback but also the negative. >> i agree. unfortunately it's a strange world that a lot of our teenagers live in, as we talk about in our book, and why you have to revisit and revisit this topic. my concern more is that if she didn't understand before she was doing this, that it might get to the media. and that's what is troublesome. because here she is again, trusting and then having it back in her face. it's small potatoes compared to what she's been dealing with,
anderson. we all know that. and it is a topic parents should have with their children about the implications of when you do expose yourself publicly like this. but again, this is what she's doing to cope right now. my goodness, this girl needs some support somewhere. i wish it wasn't strangers and i hope that she's got people surrounding her and supporting her, that are there for her. >> one of the things i read a couple years ago about ptsd therapy that psychologists are doing in the field with soldiers and marines and service members with ptsd is trying to give them a narrative to kind of explain their -- their time overseas and giving them a narrative while they're still overseas before they come home, it kind of helps them, i don't know if process is the right word, but is that something important for somebody -- a child that has
undergone a trauma to come up with a narrative that -- i mean, it doesn't make sense, but at least give some sort of explanation in their own mind? >> anderson, that's such a great observation. again, it's so case specific. but for some people processing ptsd, doing it this way, developing this narrative so soon can be helpful. for some, it cannot be. some people need to be quiet and sit with it and not talk about it. but you're absolutely right. for this individual child, this may be what exactly what she needed, to give it a sense of control and some sort of a story. >> this is obviously something you write about in the book. just for parents out there whose child has undergone any kind of traumatic thing. obviously, not something to this degree, but what do you recommend in terms of helping them kind of, i don't want to
say move on, it's not the right term, but helping them understand and deal with it? >> well, in addition to certainly seeking professional help when it's the right circumstance, allowing the child to bring the information to you when they see fit. i also want to say, for a lot of kids, this is a scary topic. they're hearing about it in the news, they are hearing about it on the radio. and on some levels, there's a bit of a trauma of hearing about this. it brings to mind uncle so and so. do i have to worry about him? so help the kids deal with the potential trauma of even the reality that things like this happen by talking with them, allowing them to share their feelings. so the best answer is revisit and try to revisit on their terms. >> good advice. rebecca bailey, good to have you on. thank you. >> thank you so much, anderson. take care. coming up, a grim and bloody ending to a hostage standoff at a bank in louisiana that we talked about last night. details on what happened ahead. ( bell rings ) they remind me so much of my grandkids.
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oh, yes, time for the "ridicu-list." tonight, we have the story of a man in tennessee and his beloved raccoon. it's a story of two raccoons. once upon a time there was a raccoon named gun show. marc brown posted a video online of them dancing to aretha franklin's "chain of fools." ♪ >> now, sadly that particular raccoon has gone on to the great gun show in the sky. he passed away in january.
but four months later, a new raccoon came into mr. brown's life, apparently into his bathtub, as well. normally when a masked bandit shows up in your bathroom, it's not a good day. this is rebecca, a raccoon he bottle fed, kept as a pet and at least one time showered with. >> that's my darling on my shoulder, all sudsed up. you shampoo your cat and dog. i shampooed my raccoon. >> is it just me or "i shampooed my raccoon" is totally a euphemism? for what? i don't know. i'll leave that up to you. anyway, it's rare that hear that sentence used in a literal way. sadly, these days mr. brown is showering alone because the tennessee wildlife resources agency took rebecca away because it's illegal to keep a wild animal as a pet. mr. brown doesn't see it that way. >> i'm trying to get her out of captivity and keep her from this. and this.
i have done nothing wrong but save something from a certain death. what i did should not be condemned. it should be commended. she would not be here today had it not been for me. >> well, now he's appealing to the governor to bring his baby home and he blames the whole thing on the cruel mistress of internet fame. >> now that i have become a big fish, they've come after me to take rebecca away from me. governor, just give me my permit, give me my pardon, and i'll shut up. i ask god every night for two things. either free rebecca back to me or just let me forget about it. >> that beard is amazing. i've said it before, i'll say it again, it's hard not to be sell pathetic when a grown man waxes poetic about his pet raccoon. i'm not made of stone. i believe, i cry. i'm not generally fond of people keeping wild animals as pets,
but there is a bond there. when it comes to this raccoon controversy, you make the call. that's it for us. thanks for watching. "early start" begins now. massacre in egypt. hundreds killed at the country military smashes protest. a new revolution has already begun. we are live. tortured and murdered. a california man who killed his friend, her son and kidnapped her daughter. new questions this morning on what caused a ups jet to crash on to an alabama field? dramatic pictures right there. good morning. welcome to "early start." we are happy you are with us. i'm zoraida sambolin. >> i'm john berman. it is thursday, august 15